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After Cain to be banished, he was significant so no one would kill him, moved to the city the Nod and married. That were those people? Tomservo 06:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

The holy bible talks the Adam and Eve being the an initial people created - it doesn"t say they were the last. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 06:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT) So at some time in in between the Fall and also Cain"s exile, God made an ext humans however the scriptures didn"t stroked nerves to to speak anything about it? What various other kind of stuff can God have actually been up to that us don"t know about? Tomservo 22:07, 20 June 2007 (EDT)LoL - stop setup up straw guy arguments. The holy bible isn"t G-d"s diary, you know! :D 22:25, 20 June 2007 (EDT) Yeah, yet if there"s no explanation, need to we simply make one up? i mean, maybe they were demons or something. Tomservo 23:09, 20 June 2007 (EDT)How about read it because that a change. The scriptures states the Adam to be the father to an unknown number of sons and also daughters as soon as he died. Karajou 15:33, 22 June 2007 (EDT)The holy bible is really sketchy around the stimulate of exactly how things happened. Plus the conversation Cain has with God around being worried about being killed makes it pretty clear that at the time there to be other people to be worried about. It"s pretty clear that the multitude of children came ~ Seth. Tomservo 10:02, 29 June 2007 (EDT)So what does creation science have to say? I believed it might explain what advancement couldn"t. Maestro 23:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)1) You"re in the realm of history, not science, so development science has nothing an ext to say than chemistry top top this specific issue.2) Elohim, the word supplied to explain who created the world, is plural. It means "gods."3) Yahweh Elohim, the word provided to define who developed Adam and also Eve, is singular. It way "Lord of the gods."4) Yahweh does not say he to be the only god. He says he is the mightiest God. Check out God at war by Gregory Boyd because that a conversation on this point.5) Plato"s Critias dialogue defines how there to be multiple gods, who split the world among themselves, and "peopled your districts:" "In the days of old the gods had actually the whole planet distributed among them by allotment. There to be no quarrelling; for you cannot rightly intend that the gods did not understand what was suitable for every of them to have, or, learning this, that they would look for to procure because that themselves through contention that which more properly belonged come others. They every one of them by simply apportionment derived what castle wanted, and also peopled their own districts; and when they had peopled them they often tended us, your nurselings and also possessions, together shepherds tend their flocks, excepting only that they go not usage blows or bodily force, together shepherds do, however governed us like pilots from the stern that the vessel, i beg your pardon is one easy way of guiding animals, holding our souls by the rudder that persuasion according to their very own pleasure;-thus walk they overview all mortal creatures. Now different gods had actually their assignment in various places which they set in order. Hephaestus and Athene, that were brother and also sister, and sprang from the same father, having actually a common nature, and also being united additionally in the love of philosophy and art, both obtained as your common part this land, which to be naturally adapted for wisdom and also virtue; and there castle implanted brave youngsters of the soil, and also put into their psychic the bespeak of government; their names are preserved, but their actions have disappeared by reason of the destruction of those who received the tradition, and the slide out of ages. For once there were any type of survivors, together I have already said, lock were men who dwelt in the mountains; and they were ignorant the the art of writing, and also had heard only the name of the chiefs that the land, but very tiny about your actions. The name they to be willing sufficient to provide to your children; but the virtues and the laws of their predecessors, they knew only by obscure traditions; and as they themselves and also their youngsters lacked for plenty of generations the necessaries that life, they command their fist to the it is provided of their wants, and also of lock they conversed, to the ignore of events that had actually happened in times long past; because that mythology and the enquiry into antiquity are very first introduced into cities as soon as they start to have actually leisure, and also when they watch that the necessaries the life have already been provided, yet not before. And this is factor why the surname of the ancients have actually been preserved to us and not your actions. This ns infer since Solon stated that the clergymans in your narrative of the war pointed out most the the surname which room recorded prior to the time of Theseus, such as Cecrops, and also Erechtheus, and also Erichthonius, and Erysichthon, and also the name of the women in choose manner. Moreover, due to the fact that military pursuits were then usual to men and also women, the males of those job in accordance with the tradition of the time collection up a figure and image of the goddess in full armour, to be a testimony the all animals which associate together, male as well as female, may, if lock please, practise in typical the virtue i beg your pardon belongs come them without difference of sex. "6) it stands come reason, taking these sources as historical, the Yahweh Elohim people His garden, when the remainder of the Elohim people the rest of the Earth.7) All societies agree that few of these gods, (the "Bene Elohim" as named in the Hebrew histories) ended up being corrupt and also interbred with human women. The ancient history of every world culture agrees on that point.8) so the human being of the world became corrupt and totally violent. Take a look at at historical evidence of old cults if you doubt.9) for this reason Yahweh Elohim sent out a flood to wipe out the wickedness. Again, every major world society agrees on this point. Every society in the world remembers a flood that destroyed everything, and a single family the survived.You"re in the kingdom of history here. For this reason use historical sources. Ungtss 09:45, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

Oh dear, ns don"t have time come take your explanation apart Ungtss, but I"ll just make a few points of mine own.Agreed that it is history, but creation researchers are pertained to with history, so it is something the they"ve discussed.The Biblical account is not always in chronological order (just as some movies room not; they regularly have flashbacks, etc.), and also sometimes jumps large periods of time. The world in Nod to be the descendants (children, grandchildren, etc.) of Adam and Eve (they must have actually been, together Eve to be the "mother of all living" and also Adam is the ultimate human ancestor of united state all). This events plainly must have taken location after numerous years had passed, and also the population had time come grow.Philip J. Rayment 10:37, 21 June 2007 (EDT)But in this instance it is in chronological order. It"s pretty clean from the bible that Adam and Eve did not start having actually many kids until Seth was born, and also that Seth to be born after ~ Cain to be exiled. Tomservo 06:53, 22 June 2007 (EDT)I agree. It seems clear come me that Adam + his household were not the only people around at that point. The jives v the other old histories as well. Ungtss 08:16, 22 June 2007 (EDT) How can that jive, then, with the description of the world before the Fall? and the scriptures says God make the Heavens and the Earth. To be Japanese god Izanami and Izanagi help Him out? Tomservo 08:24, 22 June 2007 (EDT)I"d favor you to define why you think it"s in chronological order, and also how it"s "pretty clear" that Adam and Eve didn"t have plenty of other kids until after Seth. ~ above the contrary, I"d say that as Seth was born once Adam to be 130, together a replacement for Abel, Abel"s killing must have actually happened as soon as Adam was about 129, i beg your pardon is many of time for Adam and also Eve to have lots of various other children, and also their children to have their very own children, and them to have their own, etc., i.e. Many generations. Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)You are making this more an overwhelming than it has to be, together Phillip has actually pointed out. Cain married later after he currently had a number of brothers and sisters and probably nieces and nephews. As soon as you have 900 years or so of time, a lot have the right to happen. Find out together 08:51, 22 June 2007 (EDT)But psychic what Cain inquiry for when they kicked him out? he said, "But whoever finds me will kill me." that was that worried around if there to be nobody else around? It"s the very same problem. The scriptures never states there was nobody else around. There space two reasons in the holy bible itself to think there were (Cain"s marriage in Nod and also his are afraid of gift killed, and also being provided a mark to protect him). I deserve to think of no factor to assume there was no one else around.Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)I"ve always found the to be weak. Would certainly it make much more sense if Cain believed he to be forever walk to it is in an just child? Worse yet, he has no understanding of what is being said, that is growing up that will certainly hate him and also hunt him, etc. Together the years would go on, would certainly his next day it is in his last from a punch he never also knows is coming? find out together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT) ns don"t know your argument. The KJV in 4:13 has actually Cain saying, "Behold, you hast moved me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy challenge shall ns be hid; and also I shall be a fugitive and also a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, every one the findeth me candlestick slay me." and the LORD stated unto him, "Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance chandelier be tackled him sevenfold." and also the LORD collection a mark upon Cain, lest any type of finding him must kill him.Cain"s remarks indicate some understanding on his part that there are world out there who will kill him if they discover him -- because why would he be fear of things that didn"t exist? and Yahweh"s action (protecting Cain with a mark and promising vengence on whoever hurts him) indicate that over there was somebody to safeguard Cain from, who would it is in dissuaded through the mark, and vengence bring away upon castle if they hurt him. How does this i make any kind of sense there is no other world in the world? Ungtss 20:35, 22 June 2007 (EDT)Yes, there were "other" people: various other descendants the Adam and also Eve. There"s no have to go speculating around others that aren"t lower from Adam and Even, and also to carry out so is contrary to the case that eve is the mommy of all living and that we space all lower from Adam. Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)the bible says God make the Heavens and the Earth. To be Japanese gods Izanami and Izanagi help Him out?The holy bible says Elohim (gods) created the heavens and also the Earth, yet Yahweh Elohim (The mr of the Gods) produced Adam and Eve. The word Elohim is supplied throughout the an initial chapter, and word(s) "Yahweh Elohim" throughout the 2nd chapter. The distinction is for this reason striking that some civilization think the two chapters are two different creation accounts. I simply think the story is concentrating in from the basic to the particular -- indigenous the gods to the lord of the Gods. Inspect out the book of Jubilees and also the publication of Enoch for some amazing accounts that this time-period. Ungtss 15:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)You are mindful there is a theology called Christianity, correct? together the bible goes on, it is clear there is only one God. In the brand-new Testament, we acquire the triune nature. Discover together 20:06, 22 June 2007 (EDT)Ah, however my friend, Genesis wasn"t written by Christians:). Even so, consider Paul acknowledging the presence of countless gods while proclaiming loyalty to one: "For though there be the are referred to as gods, even if it is in sky or in earth, (as over there be god many, and also lords many), yet to united state there is yet one God, the Father, of whom space all things, and we in him; and one lord Jesus Christ, through whom space all things, and we through him." 1 Cor 8:5-6. Also: "Among the god none favor unto thee, O Lord; neither prefer unto her works." Ps 86:8; "God standeth in the congregation that the mighty, he judgeth amongst the gods."" Psalm 82:1. "For you, O Lord, are most high over every the earth; you are exalted far above all gods." 97:9; "Wilt no thou possess the which Chemosh her god giveth thee to possess? therefore whomsoever the lord our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess." Judges 11:24. And also who to be the Bene Elohim that married the human being women, leading to Giants, every Genesis? They present up again in the conversations in between God and Satan in project -- check it out. Ungtss 20:34, 22 June 2007 (EDT)We relocated a bit past the original scope here. Few of these ideas were carried up again in Talk:Other god if anyone desire to watch further discussion on comparable concepts. Learn together 12:50, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

I think that the genealogies were telescoped.


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Why? Ungtss 12:58, 27 June 2007 (EDT)Yes, why? specifically given that the experts think otherwise? Philip J. Rayment 10:35, 30 June 2007 (EDT)